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By coryking (Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 02:10:09 AM EST) (all tags)
I really am starting to wonder if FSF is backed by some kookie socialist organization the same way most "protests" I see in downtown Seattle are, ultimately, backed by things like the Socalist Workers Party.

A small, unstructured mind->print rant inside.



It is truely amazing how much manipulation of English there is (such as the redefinition of the word free).  It is like the FSF machine read the appendix in 1984 as an instruction manual.

Are the who post on places like slashdot blind to their manipulation?  Do they not see how they are being used as human pawns to push somebodies agenda?  Do the people marching down from capitol hill really understand who they are marching for?  Have they actually read the crap on the website found in very tiny print on each leaflet they hand out to me?

I'm serious, btw.  I really wonder who really keeps the lights on at the FSF.

I'd write more but honestly, I've had a few to many beers to truely connect the dots....

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HA by coryking (2.00 / 0) #1 Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 02:11:16 AM EST
And I'll leave the typos and syntax errors in as a testament to my inebriation.
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Not a kookie socialist organization by ShadowNode (2.00 / 0) #2 Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 02:16:42 AM EST
It's a kookie libertarian organization. Which is the cause of the mangling of the word "free".



it's an organization by garlic (2.00 / 0) #3 Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 02:19:18 AM EST
that doesn't really understand that are people who use software, not just people who write software.



Yeah by gpig (4.00 / 1) #4 Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 06:46:37 AM EST
I get annoyed with emacs too.
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Why do you care? by yicky yacky (4.00 / 3) #5 Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 07:46:57 AM EST

People who care that much about the FSF either feel their business models being threatened or, far more likely, are being grumpy because they're not being allowed to rip off someone else's code. I seem to remember you whiningly falling into the latter camp on more than one occasion. The fact that it's GPL'd doesn't make it any less someone else's code than if it came under the MS EULA.

I used to agree with you on the definition of "free"; something which severely restricts your rights (relative to a default state of "do anything") can hardly be called "freedom" with a straight face. A friend of mine argued the flip side, though. Developers only see things with developer eyes. As such, they look at the GPL, see a catalogue of impositions, responsibilities and restrictions and balk at the use of the word "free". Users, however, are another matter; users get far more rights and freedoms from the GPL than either the original developers do, or than they would normally get from traditionally-licensed software. The fact that users may be devs themselves doesn't change this point. When you look at it in this light, all the FSF interpretation of the word "free" implies is that they consider the users' freedom to be of greater significance than the developers'. You can also argue this on weight-of-numbers. You might not agree with it (I'm not sure I do), but it is a logically consistent use of the word when considered as stemming from a certain axiomatic basis — whethr you like it or not.


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I don't get it by Cloaked User (2.00 / 0) #6 Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 02:40:59 AM EST
I don't understand what additional freedom users of GPLed software get that developers don't get. They can't do anything that a developer can't do - they can't distribute modifications without making source available, they can't change the licence, they can't claim they wrote it. Similarly, developers can give it to all their friends, commission changes from other developers, print the source out and set fire to it, etc.

So what are these extra freedoms?


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Well, the _original_ by yicky yacky (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 06:43:19 AM EST

devs have exactly the same freedom either way, as they hold the copyright and can release under as many licenses as they like, so things like licensing terms don't come into play. My point was more that things like the BSD license may grant you, as a developer, more freedom, but they don't do so for downstream consumers of your product.


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